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Tansylu, 19
This is good stuff! I am regularly told that I look ten years younger than mine real age. I think that this is due to my celibacy! Nice to know that there are others out there, and that I am not alone.
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Adam, 44
For all those of you who ask about everyone abstaining from sexual intercourse and how that would prohibit the prophagation of the human race/species or whatever, Just think of how the Earth's many ecosystems would be able to repair themselves, and how much better everyone's quality of life would be with only a fraction of today's global human population. Clean air, clean and plentiful fresh water, plentiful natural resources, and among many other things stress would be greatly reduced.
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Andrew, 28
I have been celibate for nearly seven years and have never looked back .IM glad of this web site and knowing IM not the only one out there that can live without sex
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michelle bird, 33
I would like to applaud the content found in this website, it is very much needed in todays society. I have all my life restrained from any form of sexual arousement, not becuase I had any particular means to justify it, but because I discovered in my late childhood that it just wasn't me. To have sex wouldn't confer to my inner self, it just wouldn't feel right. This is why I encourage all others who feel this way that "you are alone". I would also like to say from personal experience that "those who seek who they are in nature, shall discover themselves". "KEEP IT UP!"
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Joseph, 32
i always advocate for youths chastity,i love this site
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ejikeme, 21
I like the virginity message - it seems to have become unacceptable to be a virgin in todays society. if you're a virgin everyone makes fun of you and that really sucks. im in college now , and it seems to me like most people here are here only to have sex instead of educating themselves. i am a virgin and dont know how long i can keep it up. i dont agree completely with the ambrosian way because i dont want to not ever have sex - if i get married, i would definitely have sex with my wife. but i do support virginity until marriage. i only wonder if i'll ever find a girl who's a virgin like me because a non virgin isnt worth marrying.
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Bob, 18
wow! people sure have alot to say about this! i used to have sex alot mostly cuz i was depressed and felt isolated but it never really made me feel better.today is june 12 o4 and so far i haven't had sex since oct 11 03 and i feel good about it . during that time i gave in and did something sexual twice with people i didn't really know that well or like but i gave in . i try to concentrate on my hobbies like drawing and reading,i have a cat.i am a nude dancer so i feel alot of sexual pressure sometimes,i don't like it but that is what i do.i've never had sex with anyone i met at any of the 3 clubs i've worked at. too much sex definitely can make you sick and having sex with the wrong people can make you sick.i feel stronger now . i can't believe how much pressure there is to have sex ! even females say to females you should have sex. that is a personal decision.but i have found it true that females pressure other females to have sex with males just as much as males pressure females to have sex ! i try to remember to not tell people certain things because then i will receive more pressure or judgement!
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miriam, 24
IM GOING BE A STRAIGHT SHOOTER RIGHT NOW AND GO ON TO SAY THAT I WAS ONLY FOOLING AROUND LOOKING FOR A SITE LIKE THIS BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT I WASNT GOING TO FIND ANYTHING LIKE THIS ON LIVE AOL CHAT.YES I AM A VIRGIN.I CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE A SELF-MADE INDIVIDUAL.I FEEL A STRONG SENSE OF ENLIGHTING EMPOWERMENT BEING ONE.I DONT BELIEVE IN MARRIAGE,RELIGION,OR POLITICS.I DO LUST AT BEAUTIFULLY APPEALING WOMAN AND MASTURBATE, BUT WILL TRY TO LIMIT MYSELF.I AM A COOL LOOKIN GUY AND AM PHYSICALLY HEALTHY AS FAR AS I KNOW.TO ALL THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS LEFT ON THIS SITE:DON'T HATE WHAT YOU CANT BE.
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OMAR DIAZ, 26
Hi,I'm not a firm believer in god, I don't follow any religions...which makes me agnostic, although I have chosen the path of celibacy...forever. I'm never going to have sex and to tell the truth, it really doesn't bother me. I think I've already accepted it and can only hope that i find someone else in the future that has the same ideals as me...although it seems pretty impossible.
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June, 16
A lot of people enquire about the physical and mental effect of celibacy. I would say to all people, both men and women , just follow PERFECT celibacy for 6 months, keep urself fit and busy and see the wonders. Just take it up as an experiment and I promise after 6 months u will have your own NEW words and feelings. Regards rahul_singh_us@...com
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Rahul Singh, 23
there are just a few things in this world that are just ment to be kept to yourself, and your "self" is one. If I do ever decide to have sex, it would be because I am married and are settled. There is pleasure in sin, but it only lasts for a little while, then comes the awful backlash. People have sex and get mad when they turn up pregnant. That is just stupid, then they blame the baby for their sinful ways. I wanna wait.
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SequoiaO, 16
Although i agree with the moral and religious decisions to remain sexually pure your theories make no sense to me to remain a virgin for life, both men and women alike. if everyone followed this theory there would be no one left. Sex was designed by our Creator not only as means to multiply, but also to enhance the emotional bond between a man and a woman. It was a gift that He endowed us with and gave us the free will to share with that gift with one special person. God could come down and demand that we serve Him and remain pure till we marry, but a gift that's demanded is no gift at all.
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Disciple, 25
I've really enjoyed the site. I am a celibate Christian and do feel isolated. I don't feel that anyone except God understands my reasons for being celibate but since God is almighty that's often been enough. Obviously this culture is grossly over-sexualised and probably pollutes us all, celibate or not. Anyway I have found the site quite affirming.
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Lucy, 34
Abstaining from Sex and Animal foods is my way of Life.
It is interesting to note that the long lived ancient(Bible) people didn't reproduce until they reached several hundreds of years. After reproduction the lifespans became shorter with each generation. There are some informative out of print books on Sexual Continence avail. at Health Research. I've read some of the lost books of the Bible and found that celibacy,fasting and proper diet are important to Spirituality.
Haircutting is also unhealthy; some Religions forbid this practice. I once read in some esoteric article that the human Hair is like Anthennas to the spiritual dimensions. Blessings+++
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Fruitimmortal, 47
I am a virgin, and very glad to be so. I have very high morals and ethics that I incorporate into my life. I get every annoyed because so many individuals are having intercourse. Not only are these people who engage in these acts not in love with their counterparts, they do it out of satisfaction. I wish that these people would realize that their acts are an abomination to mankind.
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Antoinette Dawson, 17
I'm a Christian, and a virgin. I made a vow not to have sex until after marriage. And guess who I made that vow to? God. And since God keeps all of His promises to us, we need to keep all of our vows, to Him or anyone. People today think life is all about sex. That's not true. If you wait to have sex until after marriage, it's alot more fun, and alot more fufilling. Soo, to all those promise-makers out there like myself, keep your vows! Cause it's worth it!!!!!!!!
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Ren:) 14
After viewing your guestbook i believe you have the perfect forum to introduce to the Pure-of-Heart the Structure of things...
Let us keep all things in perspective. We all tend to believe that we have a mission in this world. However, i have come to learn that this Path from our Creator (i shall just call Him "God" but make no designations as to whose God) is neither universal nor is it static, nor is it even singular. In other words, for most of us, the path is designed only for each of us, it may be altered by events, and there may be more than one mission you were born for. Upon your conception (the only way humans can come to exist), a path becomes assembled for your life, based on events that occur, such as decisions made by your parents or caretakers, the evil that may be perpetrated upon you, or perhaps the altering of events you never perceive being done for your good. This Mission, or maybe set of missions, is usually constantly revised as you go thru life. (Rarely is someone born with one singular, unwavering mission.) But always the purpose, as has been shown not only in the Intellect and Inspirations of man, but even in the laws of Nature, is to become more "LIKE" God. (It is obvious we are not gods ourselves, but by analyzing our own nature, we can get glimpses of the One that created us.)
One of God's characteristics is his Perfection. It can be argued that nothing imperfect can exist without a template of perfection to compare it to, even if only in concept, but as has been argued thru Apologetics, even the concept cannot exist without a manifestation SOMEWHERE on SOME level. This purity, however, remains too abstract for 99.99999999% of humans to understand. What is Purity in the metaphysical sense? How do we know it when we encounter it? Who decides Purity? These questions have been stabbed at by many religions and faiths since the first human came to be.
We now approach the time where it should be revealed. The ascetics of every religion, the philosophers of many dogmas (including Ambrosian!), and the saints themselves have touched upon it, and now, these few may know: Purity is not something you do or don't do, it is not something you feel, it is not taught to you (you are born with it), and it is not a commodity (except in this World, which seeks to consume and defile all Purity and Innocence). When one seeks celibacy or practices abstinence (even if only temporarily), it is a crying to God to comfort us, to instill upon us the Innocence we knew (or for some of us, should have known) as a small child, and in its purest form, to allow us to be close to Him, and with Him.
Sex is not necessarily a negation of Purity, nor is it an affirmation of defilement; the acts we engage in are merely reflective of the strength of our wills and the desire in our hearts. If it is in your heart to find comfort or beauty in sexuality, you will attempt to engage in its pleasures. If it is in your heart to find the most secret and beautiful things of God's heart, you will practice those behaviors that help to pull you from the lusts of this world, which have been shown to cloud the intellect and purity of the human heart. But let us remember, we are humans, born with hearts like God, minds like angels/demons, but bodies like animals. Unlike animals, however, we can control these impulses that are natural to our bodies, but work against our spirit. This is one of the many reasons why many religions teach fasting. Fasting (whether from sex, food, or other biological drives) strengthen us and remind us that we are NOT animals, that we control our bodies, they should not control us. Try it when your spirit is weary or you feel tortured by your own body. A day without food (only water), instead using the time to pursue the teachings of your faith or to enjoy the beauties of Nature, can do alot to strengthen you spiritually. With practice, you can fast for three or even seven days (drinking only juice)and strengthen your mind and spirit.
But to remain to the point, let us remember that celibacy and abstinence should not be the goal, but rather the RESULT of a childlike desire for Purity and Innocence that resides in your heart. So many of us struggle with abstinence because we tend to think of it as work, something that we want to do. Instead, we should think of it as a thing we are. We were born without the sexual impulse (altho our Creator had the foresight to prepare us for its potentiality), and we actually must LEARN our sexuality directly or indirectly if we wish to conform to its dynamics as adults, or if we wish to experience parenthood. But a few of us have a different path that we can follow for God, and sexuality is not the only expression of Creation (another trait we picked up from our Creator). However, this ideal of Celibacy or Virginity is not for everyone, nor should it be implied that it is the only true path to spiritual enlightenment. I do not know God's heart, but i'm willing to bet that He is mostly concerned about the purity of our heart and its reflection in our behavior, and if we come to Him as he comes to us, as a child, with Innocence and Benevolence emanating from our spirits, He may just look past our ignorant, silly faiths and see the essence of what we truly want with all that He created. I hope the Knowledge that was given to me is given to you out of Love and Harmlessness, and strengthens you, and causes you to think or pray. We are all vessels for our Creator's wisdom and beauty.
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nathkel@...com
Celibacy in all aspects is beneficial. This is also known as Purity. All actions start by a thought. See the quality of your thoughts which is related with the quality of your actions. The body only experiences pleasure and pain. The body doesn't know about happiness, beauty and peace. It is important to see that we use our bodies in this world, but we are not bodies. Most people long for happinness, peace, meaningfulness in their lives, bliss and beauty... These cannot be pursued with the idea that we are bodies longing for pleasure. Pain and pleasure are not the same but one cannot exist without the other. Once you experience one, you must experience the other. The body only knows about pain and pleasure. It is the mind that longs for repetition of experiences without realizing that the more pleasure is pursued the more pain must be endured. Therefore, celibacy is not lack of experiencing something, but going beyond the experience of pain and pleasure.
Have a great day!
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Luis, 35
Hello everybody ! Just wanna say to all virgins out there - never give up your dreams ! Great site,nice to see you all in one place,interesting thoughts and people,ciao !
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Sandra, 21
Dear Asexual/Virgin Kinsmen, listen to these words,think and apply them for they are beneficial ! "But our thoughts and actions must in no way be determined by the approval or disapproval of our time,but by the binding obligation to a truth which we have recognized." "We are not simple enough,either,to believe that it could ever be possible to bring about a perfect era.But this does not relieve anyone of the obligation to combat recognized errors,to overcome weaknesses,and to strive for the ideal." "The purest idealism is unconsciously equivalent to the deepest knowledge." "...and marriage cannot be an end in itself,but must serve the one higher goal,the increase and preservation of the species." "The inner nature of peoples always determines the way in which outward influences will be effective.What leads the one to starvation will train the others for hard work." I hope this will encourage asexuals to strive foreward at any cost and also encourage the ones alike not to despair or give up. If interested in asexual correspondence my e-mail is - wend@...net
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Wend, 28
HI EVERYBODY! I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT THAT SOME DAY I WOULD FIND A SITE LIKE THIS. I DO AGREE WITH THIS STYLE LIFE. BEING A VIRGIN IS SOMETHING I LOVE AND I WANT TO STAY LIKE THIS TILL I MARRY, IT MAKES ME HAPPY BUT MANY TIMES SAD AND LONELY, MY BOYFRIEND DISAGREES WITH ME AND HE OFTEN GETS ANGRY ABOUT MY IDEA, I LOVE HIM WITH ALL MY HEART AND I WISH HE UNDERSTOOD ME. THANKS LORD THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT THINKS LIKE ME.
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CIELO, 19
This site is a joke, right?
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goescrunch, 26
Wrong. Ambrosian!
Virginity, hum, an interesting lifestyle in a sexually immersed culture. I think it's cool because I believe in the rights and freedom of the individual....most men are hostile to virgins because thier "goods" are not on the market!
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Karen Gaskins, 51
Great information. I'm impressed and happy. I'm a virgin and, even though I chose to be so for the sake of Christ, I'm really glad there are some observable positives there as well. Thanks.
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Stephen Hawkins, 19
Thank you for making known virginity as a positive (and alternative) way of life.
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Erin, 28
There is a new online personals for celibate and celibate transitional adults: www.Celidate.org. CeliDate is an online personals for people who are looking for a meaningful relationship that isn't preoccupied with sex. If you are interested, please check it out. If you think it has merit, please post an ad. Thank you.
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Lydia Davis, 32
Hi ! I read the part about "the tree of knowledge". Interesting, but I disagree. In Paradise men walked in unity with God, there was no "Good" nor "Evil" because the one includes the other. There was no separation, all was "one" and "whole".
I understand the tree of knowledge of good and evil as the working of mans mind, that can compare things en thus make a separation in that which is whole. There is nothing wrong with it, as long as you do not start "desiring" the one "part" over the other "part". This would mean that not sex was "the fruit" but desire, greed (as do believe the Hindi, Jewish mystics, Taoïsts and Budhists).
Bij letting your analyzing and categorizing mind (the "snake" or "Dragon" the Chinese call it) separate what is whole from the beginning, desire and greed result and this lets you "fall" out of Paradise.
I am someone who loves that which is.
Kind regards,
Utrecht
The Netherlands
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Alex, 55
You have such a nice site, this is my first time here. I am a 22year old virgin, because i believe that i should not have sex before marriage. I don't come from a strict Catholic background, or anything i just prefer to be this way. Sometimes it gets a bit too much because i had to end lots of my relationship because the guys i dated did not agree with me. I truly believe that it will pay off one day, and that i am like this for a reason. Nice visiting your website. Cheers.
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Sonja, 22
I'm 15 years old virgin from Poland. Thanks for this site, it is very helpful for girls like me. Greetings!
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Ann, 15
wOW.. I had no idea there were sites like this. I'm a 17 year old atheist, so I don't fully agree with the religious aspect of your message, but I too will remain a virgin for life. Sex has never seemed appealing to me, and I find it odd how people still believe sex is inevitable. From birth we are fed these lies on the beauty of sex and I am just fed up with it. What is so beautiful about it? Am I supposed to enjoy being penetrated in my most vulnerable area? It seems sort of disgusting to me. I love and respect myself too much to have sex with someone. I am NOT SAYING that people who do have sex have no self-respect; this is just my opinion. Thanks for site ^_^
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TA, 17
I am interested in what you have to say. But you haven't made it clear how celibacy will make you stronger, healthier etc. What is the link? I'd like to see more actual info and less rhetoric...
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mad, 20
The virginity and celibacy itself doesn't make you stronger and healthier, it's the physical conditioning. The virginity part will help you to stay strong and healthy. Read the message and other links carefully, the answer to your question is there. Ambrosian!
I like how there are many people young and old, have found it in their hearts and minds to view celibacy as not just a way to wait for marriage but, to grow phisically and spiritually before comitting their love to someone else. I am a virgin and plan to stay that way till I find that perfect woman.
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TJ, 15
I just want to say that I am a virgin and I am a Christian. I believe that sex is a gift that God gives us after we are married to that special someone. I am saving myself for that day because It is my choice to follow God and I believe this is right. At times, it is very difficult to keep myself in check, but I know it will be worth it. I encourage everyone to find God and follow your heart. Have a great day and God Bless!
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Bunny22ears, 38
So many people who want to keep a celibate live style and i think i am the only one in the world, great site, what do you say about a relationship with out sex? that is what i want, because i hate feel lonely, any comments?
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alex, 27
I would like to say here how delighted I am with your website and to say that I couldn't agree more! I am following the path of Brahmcharya (purity) for 16 years now and am absolutely thrilled with it. It's not just about abstaining from sex, it's a whole wonderful empowering lifestyle that is creating Paradise (The Golden & Silver Ages, Atlantis, Shangri-la, Heaven) as an inheritance for me. The Supreme Soul teaches this old and paradoxically new information! It is He who has come to purify the whole world, meaning all souls in the world. All souls are His children, no matter what they've done or haven't done (and this is something I love so much! - this having no judgment at all, just empowering others and the self! We are not bodies, we live in bodies, we are souls! I love this so much, as it has freed me and I don't have to gratify the body I live in anymore. Now I see that there is no point to that. I, the soul, need to prepare myself and take the hand of the Supreme. He has come specially with Raja Yoga to help to prepare all of us and then when we are purified by Him, take us Home! I've been studying and now teaching the ancient Raja Yoga of India for the last 16 years and am a Brahma Kumaris.
Anyone interested can contact me on how much I am enjoying this Yogi life (pure life empowered by my connection to this pure Supreme Being) and the benefit I am receiving every single day! OM SHANTI, B.K. Marianne Watford, U.K.
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Marianne, 58
While I have nothing against virginity in and of itself, it is worth noting that the entire "sexual repression" of Christianity was born more of Paul's warped views of the opposite gender, as well as Augustine's *really* warped views on the opposite gender. A lot of the apocrypha (which was, of course, selected by the Nicene Council "editorial board" full of men) details more interesting and direct views, including the possible relationship between Jesus and Mary (not his mom :P).
So I mean, by all means, indulge in the whole virgin thing, whatever floats your boat, but keep in mind that a lot of the gender relations and sexuality handled by the Church were shaped by men, not by Jesus himself.
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Pete
Ambrosian!, even though it shares some beliefs about virginity with early Christianity, isn't a Christian philosophy. Did you ever consider what the reason was for the early philosophers to speak so highly of virginity? But, it's not a question of who or where the message originated but whether or not it's valid. Ambrosian!
What about all of us non-virgins? Doesn't seem to make sense.
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Lexi, 23
Raise your children to live the Ambrosian lifestyle of course. Ambrosian!
Are you special, have you let Christ into your heart, have you been saved? Well, I can assure you that its not real. Yep, thats right, another toothfairy unravled. But this time, its Santa Clauses grandpappy. Have we come to the conclusion that people are all animals of the planet that revolves around a star, which I may add is one of many. All this talk about 'staying a virgin untill you die' is complete stupidity. Where do babies come from? Does your mother know what you are boycotting? Don't trust anyone who quotes God. Even the Bible. We wrote it, or I should say, a King had it wrote. And its not the first time they have tried this. It works pretty good, all you need is a man, a story about the all mighty one who created all, when you die you meet him and explain why you did what you did and he makes up his (HIS?) mind whether to let you in Heavon or throw you in the burning pits of Hell, but he loves you (that in it self pulls most children in, the adults are a bit more educated, but goable nontheless. So, if you choose to stay a virgin, for the rest of your life and happen to run across a tasty apple, should you shun away this treat? Life is short, make up your own mind.
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Mickteer, 22
I don't believe I said "who" spoke to Adam in the garden. It may very well have been God if there is really one. Where or when the message originated isn't the issue, it's whether or not it's valid. Everyone can have a different view or opinion but there is only one that's true. Ambrosian!
Hi Amby, I think it is time for you to take up Kundalini Yoga. Being celebate, I assume you dont spill semen, you should bring the power to produce semen which is not going to be used, to the top of your head. This kundalini is a light which sleeps at the base of the spine of every human being. Ever heard of the phrase we only use a very small percentage of our brain. Well, when you are able to bring the kundalini from the base of the spine to your forehead by passing through navel, stomach, solar plexus and throat, then you will be using 100% of your brain for thinking. I mean it man. Think it over.
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Rajesh, 32
Very good, it seemed Ambrose understood very well the path of Christ and the renunciates. When we eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the hormonal secretions produced in our pituitary gland are drawn down the body, and wasted in effort to constantly produce more semen or ovum. However, if the vital reproductive fluids are preserved, then our pituitary fluids as well are preserved, stored up, and used in conjuntion with higher glands (thymus, thyriod, and pineal). Through the long term observation of celibacy in combination with yogic meditation techniques, we can literally transmute these lower sexual energies and fluids into 'ojos' or creative power. Lower fluids can slowly, but surely be magnetically drawn up the spine, and into higher centers giving the yogi and 'inner' form of sexual bliss that could never compare to the temporal orgasm.
This is the path of light and immortality.
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Ryan, A. B.,19
I can't wait to have sex. I don't think I'd have a one-night stand, but this whole sex-vs.-g0d is crazy... obviously we have to control ourselves despite our instilled sexual instincts, but that's just to keep society in check... not to appease some higher power. Of course it's romantic to idealize a virgin bride/groom, but sex is romantic too. As for celibacy, that's always a personal choice, but I don't think spirituality should be the deciding factor. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this guestbook was a little one-sided. Oh, and I also have a strong belief that we all need consistantly frequent human contact... so if you deprive yourself of sex, I urge you to make up for it in hugs/embraces/kisses so as to not miss out on the human experience.
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Brian, 19
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, My main concern is that by preaching a form of radical purity, you skip out on the Initiatory place that sexuality has in our lives. What do you do to spark the Initiation of Adulthood? Is there a ceremony you would recommend instead? Give the people something to mark that beginning...
I am also concerned that any form of pietism and purity will backfire as you try to create a 'superior' group of people without empathy for their co-sharers in the world. Without mixing deeply in the world, I do not see how one can participate in the mysteries thereof.
I realize, that as a non-Christian, my perspective in this is different. But I wanted to talk about it anyway. Also, I think the ! at the end of your name is interesting. What made you decide to emphasize it that way?
Love is the law, love under will.
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Fr. EVCA, 32
The ! is to emphasize the importance of what Ambrosian! is about. Ambrosian!
When I was ten years old , I decided that I would never get married. I am now 15 and am struggling to remain celibate. It is very hard at this day and age , there is a lot of pressure. I have followed your advice and I exercise daily. I know that my journey will pay off , I only want God to look down on me and smile.
I have always considered remaining a virgin , but your website encouraged me to do so ! I am living the ambrosian lifestyle !
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Marjorie, 15
I found this site to be very interesting, however I had to disagree with many of the biblical references, such as sex being the forbidden fruit. So is the Ambrosian Lifestyle based on a religious principle? At 30 I am still a virgin. I think that masturbation makes it harder to remain sex-free. Because it makes you think of having sex with another person. ANd it a way masturbation is sex( sex with oneself).
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Nono, 30
Still a virgin at 34, and will remain so until marriage. I've never really been interested in sex anyway. Dated several women, goes as far as kissing, and i'm fine with that.
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Joe, 34
Although I think that most of the people on this site are a little obsessive about God and religion a lot of what you say makes sense. I am a 22-year-old saving myself for marriage. Why am I doing that? Both of my parents were * swingers * when they were younger and their relationship is pretty rocky because of it. My dad still visits old girlfriends and my mom hates him for it, unfortunately they fight openly about it in front of my brother and I. I wouldn’t ever want my children to have to live through the same. What I will say however is that I hope to find a girl that understands that I’m staying a virgin even if she isn’t one. I would like our children to have two opposing points of view for which to base their future decisions on premarital sex. Virginity shouldn’t be a choice for yourself but a choice for your future and that of your children.
To all the people who didn’t wait for marriage, I do envy you in many ways but at the same time I wish you would respect my decision. For example: I’m in the police academy and when I tell the other guys + girls about myself, I get drilled about all the fun I’m missing out on, and how my wife may run out a cheat on me if the sex isn’t the best she’s ever… but at the same time they’ll tell me that it’s a good decision and most of them wish they had waited and are afraid that their girlfriends/boyfriends will cheat on them. I figure that if my girlfriend/wife cheats on me because of sex, then she was a pretty shallow person to begin with and we obviously weren’t meant to be.
If you guys are really having a hard time with your virginity, like I know I have been then I would recommend learning to some type of dance. I break dance every Friday and Saturday night and I find it the best way to channel your sexual energy towards the opposite sex short of pulling your pants down.
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Mike, 22
I have a problem with some Ambrosian supporters on this site saying that its "their loss" if one chooses to give up their virginity and live in a world where sex is an issue. There is nothing bad about sex. It is true that sexual desires can cloud judgement, but this is true for any desire. Even the desire to "get the most out of what paradise has to offer" is fraught with dangers. People need to accept that everyone tries to make the decision that is best for them, and that there is no absolute solution. Life is vastly complex and every choice we make has positive and negative consequences.
I really just wish that the only wrong answer is to pass judgement. Any lifestyle choice, including constant sexual intercourse with multiple partners can lead to a life where all the rewards of paradise are recieved. I am 19, and I am not a virgin. Sex is very complicated, but very rewarding as well. I personally do not believe I am doing any harm to myself when I discover a strong physical connection with another person. It is in no way worse than an intellectual connection, its just different.
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Tal, 19
genital puberty is merely the first puberty that has been mapped out--the puberty of the spine (kundalini, Spinal Tree of Life, spinal Mt Carmel, Mt Olympus) comes next. All spiritual seeking is a result of this "post-genital" puberty. Ambrosianism is exactly that--a breakthrough of this spinal puberty that includes heart-love, and the meditative bliss of the puberties of the hypothalamus and pineal gland "where thine eye becomes single" and where anointment of the forehead becomes an erotic act of post-genital sex, virginal and pure. Genital sex is thereby kept as a procreative activity. The lovemaking of postgenital sex is found in tantra and in the Oneida Community of the 19th century. Quakers, Shakers, Pentacostals, Belly-dancing (celibate, original bellydance), tumo Tibetan Buddhist body-heat, Holy Ghost charismatic dancing, Dionysian revelry dancing, shamanic trance-dance, hesachyst prayer-heat are all bodily phenomena of the spinal puberty--even Judaic davvening (spinal rocking prayer). Ambrosia, in Sanskrit is Amrita, the secretion of the pineal gland known in science as melatonin, a light-sensitive, age-reversing hormone of "immortality" and the center of Hindu workship in the Rg Veda (soma)-- The secretion of amrit (ambrosia, nectar) is the culmination of decades of postgenital maturation. Masturbation (to the point of ejaculation) slows this process, especially more than 1x per month, -- see Eros Consciousness & Kundalini (Inner Traditions Press, 1999) stuartcs@...net welcomes correspondance
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Stuart, 53
Isnt the point of this ambrosian to not have sex as a part of your life? yet this guestbook seems to centre around sex. i admit, i think about it although i have made the decision to remain celibate. it's not for religious reasons, it's not because im so damn unattractive. it's because i realised virginity was a decision, rather than something you're stuck with at birth and have to get rid of. when i made the decision, it was a relief. i knew that although i think about guys all the time and have crushes and attractions, i'm not tempted by sex. however, if it wernt for sex, we wouldnt exist. we must remember that. if everyone decided to remain virgins, mankind would cease to exist. so, thank god for sex. but also, thank god for giving us the ability to make our own decisions. i believe in doing whatever comes naturally to me, and sex doesnt.
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M, almost 18
I found your site fascinating. I was totally with you until I stumbled into your "secrets of the Universe" page. That shows some bad heremeneutics (biblical interpretation). You claim that seeking knowledge is part of your lifestyle. Perhaps you should look into some of the rules of Biblical Interpetation.
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gw, 22
I think everyone on here who says they are waiting until marriage to have sex isn't getting the point of this site. These people aren't talking about waiting for marriage, they're talking about NO SEX EVER. Personally I think it's a ludicrous idea, because although the soul may be more important than the body, we need to take care of our bodies as well. Sex is a natural desire, like hunger or thirst. If no one had sex, there wouldn't be any people. For all of your philosophy, you seem to overlook that! If you are interested in wiping out the human race, there is far more for me to say than I can here. Celibacy may be a great choice for an individual at a give time, but everyone can't and shouldn't be expected to remain celibate forever.
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Elizabeth, 20
In reply to the message below from "willing to question". Firstly, you accuse us of being fearful of being ashamed, and yet you don't give any real name! It is good to question. However, there are many flaws in your argument. You say that you believe in God but do you read the Bible? If so, you will see that in Corinthians, it says that it is better for one to remain celibate unless consumed by passion and lust (then it is best to marry). Also, you make the assumption that the desire to have sex comes naturally to everyone. That is certainly not the case. Some people have no sexual feelings but live perfectly happy lives. Others decide to pursue a celibate lifestyle out of choice and do not find it difficult or punishing. Why do I get the impression that because you have already allowed two boyfriends in, you are trying to justify that in some way? Nobody can surely say that they are pleased at having lost their virginity to someone that is not their life partner and soulmate. Oh, and by the way, if ambrosia is full of people who are afraid of STDs and pregnancies (rubbish!), then what are YOU doing loggin into this site??? It's not exactly a site which one can find easily unless looking for something specific.
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Dee, 27
I have avoided sex in my life. Not because of any Christian ideology but because I've never let myself be in a sexual situation. I think this site's ideas are just justifications for being a virgin. It may be wise to remain a virgin, but I don't think there is any mystical secret behind it.
Personally, I believe that sex is the greatest conflict in the human experience. It is the battle between our primitive selves and our potentials as perfect beings who can rise above the instinctual actions.
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Human 21
This is exactly what I have been thinking and has kept me away from falling into the commonplace activity so far.
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neil, 30
I'm a 22yr old female who has sex with 2 long-term boyfriends, and I see no problem with that. I have not, and would not, ever have a one-night stand because I need to feel strongly about my partner. So why is that any different than you lot? I believe in God and I don't recall him ever telling me I needed to be hitched before being deflowered. I simply recall being advised to committed, loving sexual relationships. Sure, adultery is out of the question but why the hell wouldn't it be? That's logical, but to presume that someone is going to prevent themselves from doing what comes naturally is naive. It seems to me that self-proclaimed virgins are afraid of shame if something goes wrong - HIV, STD's, pregnancy. It's the same for people who refuse to drink for no other reason but they are afraid of losing control. Do you virgins also avoid driving over 60km/hr?
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willing to question, 22
Not everyone out there is crazy. I too agree completey with your anti-sex stance. From when you're a child until adolescene you are fed lies (and subsequently you believe them) about the "purity" of sex. Once you actually experience sexual feelings, you realize how contradictory they are to all the myths you've been told about sex being good. It's not good. Within marriage it is just as bad, if not creepier, in that it works under the pretense of "purity."
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Melissa, 23
Just because your not a virgin it doesn't make you a bad person, everybody makes mistakes. God gives us forgiveness if we ask for. God says not to judge so we should not judge people because of what they've done or lifestyles they've chosen.
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Constance, 19
Thank you for the truth. I knew that apple story was not true. We all can see that sex was and is the downfall of humanity.
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Betty Cassells, 56
Being polarised into a good/bad big/small black/white sense of the world creates problems for everyone. "Is that so" says the voice of the moderate. When I have too much sex I become phsically weak, and slow of mind. My energy increases during times of no sex power manifests and radiates, making me more desirable to others. And then..... I fall. Sex can be addictive, I am here to sip the wine, not to gulp it.God laughs at us all virgins or non-virgins. In truth it seems we are all......virgins
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frank c from new zealand, 39
This is one interpretation of many. I say if this feels right to you, then follow this path. Other interpretations may be just as valid. The problem lies in that the bible has been shaped and interpreted to fulfill the desires of men and the political views of the church. I can see no apparent harm in these practices, but to say this is the way for sure has to be questioned. A scary salute to societies and cultures of the past and present. I think we need to rely on rational, empirical, scientific persuits to carry mankind into the future for our one true purpose, the same purpose as every other species on earth, and that is survival of the species at the highest level attainable.
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aaron, 31
I agree with aaron that "we need to rely on rational, empirical, scientific persuits to carry mankind into the future for our one true purpose... and that is survival of the species at the highest level attainable." That is exactly what Ambrosian is about, the truth and the facts. Not faith and fantasy like other beliefs. Ambrosian!
I respect your belief in virginity, but I don't believe if you are not a virgin it means you have 'conformed'. Your writings have a slightly fanatical feel to them, which disturbs me. I believe heaven and paradise is open to all those who are good and do good in their lives, and that it does not simply broil down to whether you have a hymen or not. Of course one can choose to be a virgin if they believe it is their way of showing their faith or respect toward their bodies, but if a person has engaged in intercourse, I believe, for the greater majority of the time, that it is not because of 'conformity' or 'the need to fit in', but because those people are ready. There are exceptions. Good luck to you.
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myah, 23
Keep the Faith my brothers and sisters -we are in this together. I am happy to be a V-man - until marriage ;)
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Brendan, 29
This is a wonderful site. I'm glad to see there are still so many people with morals and belief in god. I'm still a virgin and would have it no other way. Stay Pure!
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maria, 20
Hola, my name is monica and i am a virgen since i was born. I am so glad to find people my age keeping their virginity. I thought i was the only one on earth that i was a virgen which it gives me relief that is not. I decided to keep my self from having sex until i get married someday. Cuz i do want to get married and have family, that is not question abou it. I am a christian and I beleive in God as well. I believe that he has to do with my decition but also of my own will.
But just let me say with not ofense to anybody that i don't think that to enter paradise you must be a virgen or be in celibacy, being a virgen it does not mean that you are perfect and that you cannot sin with your mind. Cuz u can be a virgen and be a nasty person. So to understand virginity for me besides not having fisical contact is pure LOVE. Love that comes from your soul from your mind from your body from your hole being, Virginity=Love= Human beings. Human beings that love each other. You can be a virgen but if you don't love your brother or sister as their are then you don't believe in God. And God is love.
There is too much going on in the world like descrimination, hunger, poverty that if we don't even have a tiny respect or love for others how are we going to desire paradise if we don't show love. God teach us to love one another not matter what. so for those who are still virgen around the world like me keep it up but please understand others as well and if they do not understand you love them anyway.Paz a todos = Peace to all
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Monica, 33
I never knew that to be a virgin was a precious thing, now, I am determine to lose my virginity with someone i love [in marriage], she preferable must ALSO be a Virgin
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Tom, 25
This is incredible. I didn't know there are so many people feel this way. I'm very interested in this new thought and will look into it more and more. Thank you for setting this up.
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Meg, 19
U PEOPLE ARE SO CRAZY AND SO STUPID HOW CAN U SAY ALL THIS WHO MADE UP ALL THIS BULL
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SEX FREAK,16
Excellent website! Keep doing what you're doing. Thanx for the support.
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Erin A., 18
I am a virgin and I will stay one till I am married.
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Nicole, 20
Glad to know there are so many into celibacy. Inspires me to carry on!
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Gusto, 24
I believe in the ambrosian lifestyle!
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Jeff, 15
I've visited your page many times, and I think it's about time that I extend my appreciation. I do hope you still check this page, because you inspired me many times to hold firmly onto my beliefs. You're right about people not understanding (not that I WANT people to know...but I'm often asked juvenile questions like "how far" I've gotten). What do I say without actually telling the truth and not just sounding like a nonvoluntary pathetic virginal geek? I don't WANT sex!
I find it disgusting and hypocritical within any positive lifestyle. I am cynical of sex and laugh at it being called "beautiful." Yet I know that as a human I can get swept away in my emotions even if I place little importance on sex and enjoy it as something base, so that is why it is best to avoid it. People are so dense when you try to explain it to them. It's as if they don't want to admit to themselves that they are perhaps much more impure than they hoped they were.
For instance whenever I (FOOLISHLY) sincerely and intimately share this with someone, they insist with words of wisdom that I'm definitely wrong and I will when I find the right person...Sorry I'm mature, BUT THIS IS ANNOYING! I'm 18 (have never done ANYTHING...NEVER KISSED NOTHING), work hard to educate myself, read philosophy, literature, study music, basically CONTEMPLATE all the time, and they, the mass MTV consumers who haven't read cliff notes of a book since high school, GIVE ME WISDOM ON MY OWN VIEW ON SEX. UNBELIEVABLE!
It's just too hard for them to comprehend any PURE way of living. It absolutely ABSOLUTELY baffles them. Man, I'm so glad others are out there. I wouldn't have such an averse POV of many of these people if they weren't so nasty and rude when you genuinely answered their question why you're not interested in sex.
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Kate, 18
Well done for speaking out Kathy! Great message! Good to see others out there having fun without sex and enjoying life regardless.
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Dee, 26
I am still a virgin and I must tell you that I wouldn't have it any other way. I am pure, uninvaded, I am 100% myself. I respect myself emotionally and physically too much to throw it all away for a few minutes of sexual pleasure. I am a Christian, but I've many reasons for wanting to remain a virgin...no regrets later on, no chance of contracting STDs, no chance of ending up pregnant...there are so many benefits! I've never had any desire for sex and I'm glad to feel this way...to me, sex is nothing but trouble except if you want kids, which I do not. Sex is often the cause of many anxieties, and I don't want that in my life. I have all I could want right now...other peoples' prefs do not concern me one bit. They can go out and have sex with 10 people in one night for all I care, so long as it's not me!
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Kathy, 24
I , personally am a choosing to stay pure because it seems to be more true to myself, and not becomeing influenced by the massive pressure of society and the desire for a quick hit of sexual gratification. I have had pleasurable sexual experiences etc. in the past and I fully understand those who say how nice it is and think its natural etc.
BUT for 5 years I have experienced a great deal of natural deep peace and happiness through meditation, and I have watched how these experiences are swiftly destroyed with sexual thoughts or actions, however minor. Everyone is having sex. It's no big deal. But true love, deep respect and intimicy goes beyond physical pleasure.
I have had many very beautiful and intimate experiences just looking deep into the eyes of another soul. Very sweet and beautiful, like becoming merged in love, in a bubble of love. Sex seems to be a substitution for real intimicy and egolessness, which comes with an orgasm. Everything we want can be attained without even touching. The most beautiful things I've expreienced are when both people are free, full of love and giving everything with vibrations, becoming bodiless, merged in love.
Life is sweet
Much love and respect to you all
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cyas,23
look forward to enjoying this program.
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Nicole Keyes,18
To all who will listen...My fiance and I are christians who firmly believe in celibacy but we have consitantly failed over the past few months. As we strive to control our feelings please pray for strength and guidance. I am ashamed to approach our pastor as he will refuse to marry us or at least give a sound dissaproval. We believe that we have messed up and know that God is merciful but we are striving to be true to Christ. Please pray
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Needy, 21
Great site! I've always been celibate, but deciding to keep my virginity for life is definitely something I plan on doing. I also like the idea of getting my mind and body into the best shape they can be in. You guys rock!
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Splat, 21
hi I'm a 26 year old male virgin for several reasons, one being that I abhor the way western culture places more importance on the body rather than mind and soul. I would like to know more about your reasons for a perfectly fit body before I read on as this sounds quite dangerous to me. I think all of us can agree that freedom (love) is found in the soul not the body. - Stay Happy!
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dj, 26
Hellooooo! Is anybody there???? C'mon folks, keep the messages coming! Has my favourite site gone to sleep?!
By the way, Ive been in a few magazines recently commenting on my asexuality. More virgins, asexuals and celibates should be brave enough to do the same. Let's change the media and overload it with a positive Ambrosian message for those not yet brave enough and especially for the young, whose minds are being corrupted on a huge scale.
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Dee, 26
I am divorced and celibate. Thank you Jesus! Sadly, last year, after being celibate for close to 7 years, I "fell." It hurt me badly because it went against everything that I believe in and advocate. The pain is more unbearable because the guy "professed a strong belief in Christ" but was unable to understand why after that time I continue to say "no" (I am proud of myself for saying "no"!!!!) I am recovering and through much prayer and people like you who support celibacy, I know I will continue as celibate (mind and spirit) until God chooses to give me a mate.
Thank you for this website.
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Anonymous? 31
I was just skimming through a few of the guestbook entries, and took offense to your comments on the Roman Catholic Church. I don't think it's fair to blame the present institution for the mudering and butchering of innocent people. You fail to recognize that many innocent Catholics were killed by Romans for practicing their religion in the past. And yes, I think you should care what this group of people has to say, because it makes more sense than the Ambrosian! lifestyle. I don't agree with premarital sex, but abstaining from sex for an entire lifetime is just crazy. The sole purpose of sex is for procreation; any other method you may use (to reproduce)is simply unnatural. How can you possibly justify reproducing in such a way? Why would you go through all the trouble of having a baby artificially when you could simply have sex? It just doesn't make sense.
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Jen,18
I've been a virgin with God's help from birth.I have to confess as I get older it is a challenge.I'm waiting for God's best in terms of a wife.God bless you all!
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Jeff Gray, 36
Although it seems natural for me to come into relationship with a female, none have showed interest in me since I was about 17...so I consider my girlfriends of the past childhood girlfriends/sweethearts. I have been celibate all my life and will continue to do so unless GOD leads me to the one he has planned for me. Really, sex is not the whole issue...its just part of the love between two people I so desire. However, I have not shown interest in that many girls I met in college, and I was always very reserved around girls I knew. I always wanted to be the gentleman, which have no real perks in this day and age...but I believe there is favor from GOD, not because "I have" been celibate...but that he has kept me from wrongdoing.
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RSO,23
While I have chosen a life of celibacy I disagree with many of the principles you espouse.
I agree that celibacy can be a powerful aid in an individual's spiritual evolution, but only if that individual practices this lifestyle for the right reasons and with the right balance of both faith and reason, religion and science. Your interpretation of the story of Adam and Eve as a foundation is at best fantastic, but more likely it is totally unrealistic. Not only that, but you convieniently changed one of the key elements of the story (that it was Adam and not Eve who temptempted the other) to fit your own interpretation. To go on to claim that such an obvious false connotation is the "secret of the universe" is very irresponsible.
I agree with you that celibacy is one way to increase spiritual perceptions, but I disagree with you completely if you contend that it is the only way.
No one can claim to know God except through His Prophets, His Mouthpieces in this world, and all of them had families and children, except Jesus Christ, because he was so persucuted that he could hardly find a safe place to lay His head down at night. Abraham had a family, Moses had a family and Muhammad had a family, so why would anyone think, given these Supreme Examples, that they would want otherwise, especially when they have reiterated time and again that sex within marraige is completely in harmony with the laws of God?
Of course, many of the followers of these faiths, that have encompassed so many peoples, have also chosen celibacy as a means of being more detached from the world and have been equally praised by the same Perfect Beings aforementioned.
Celibacy, therefore, is not greater or lesser than the proper use of the sex impule, meaning in absolute faithfullness to one's spouse. We should focus more on chastity as a way of life than celibacy becuase it seems like there's a struggle going on between those who contend that we are only animals and sex is therefore inevitable, no matter in what capacity, and puritans who believe it is a sin at least and at most the very cause of our isolation from the complete realm of the spirit. What both of these sides aren't realizing is that they both opperate on the same principle that humans are driven by sexual obsessions and yes, puritanical fancies are as much obsessions with sex as materialistic views. What we should focus on is living a life of purity before marraige and absolute faithfulness and moderation once married, keeping in mind that the whole purpose of sex is to bare children who will in turn praise our Creator and that sex must be pleasureable to be sucessfully engaged in, and if a person decides to live a life of celibacy, to focus on it's practical applications as far as what benefit such a lifestyle has on society when practiced rightly, rather than getting hung up on fanciful mystical abstractions, that have no real application in the relief of suffering in the world, it is equally rewarding.
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Adrian
HI ALL I'M 22 AND STILL A VIRGIN I'M ABOUT TO GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY IT'S NICE TO KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE LEFT. I SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE I AM BECAUSE NONE OF MY FRIENDS ARE VIRGINS AND THEY CAN'T RELATE TO HOW I FEEL AND WHAT RUNS THROUGH MY MIND. SOMETIMES I JUST WANT SOME ONE TO TALK TO WHO WILL UNDERSTAND AND NOT JUDGE ME FOR WHAT I HAVE CHOSEN.
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PrtyPnk,22
My virginity has always been something very sacred to me.. But only a couple months ago, i was raped.. Its hard to answer when people ask whether or not i am a virgin..But in my heart i am.. i never "chose" to lose my virginity, and i dont plan onit.. what has happened to me, gave me a different outlook on life. though i am only a teenager, i feel that i have made wise choices. i used to feel like it was my own fault for what happened to me, but now i see things more clearly..i am holding on to my virginity until the day my father walks me down the asile, and i am so proud of that.
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Jena,16
Well, I am a virgin. I have been in a relationship for 6 months and we both agree not to have sex until we are married. But once we are married, what is so wrong with having sex? It is an act of love it feels good and natural, and it was meant to be by god. I agree that virginity until marriage should be a stronger topic amongst teens, but why are you making it seem bad? And how in the world is someone in better shape if they are a virgin? My grandma is obviously not a virgin, but she had the love of her life, was the most devoted person to god i know, and is in great shape for an elder woman. So what is wrong if you're married? Sex is not bad, it is a gift t married couples. We are suppoed to reproduce sexually, any other way is not God's way. Thank you.
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Ellisha,14
I am a female just finishing up my feshman year in college, perhaps my hardest year yet socially. With the types of people I was exposed to, with no parents hovering over everything I do, I am still a virgin by choice. A religious and also very personal choice I feel that sex is a very big deal between to people, and I have seen too many hurt by the lack of respect for this act to let it happen to me. I plan on staying a virgin until I am married. It is just as easy to have sex as it is not to, and I am even more convinced that I have made the right choice.
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Angelique,18
i am definitely considering celibacy to obtain a spiritual enlightenment...i felt your site was very assuring to know that there is hope in this practice.
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Essence, 21
Hi, I am a 23 year old virgin. I am waiting until I get married to have sex. Unfortunately, nobody that I am friends with, or frankly that I even know shares my point of view. I know in my heart I am making the right decision, but it is so hard to stay with. I feel like I am the only person in the world who is a virgin. Our culture is so sex-crazed that I see on the news that 13 year olds are havin sex on tape in Florida! It is ridiculous. Please, if anyone has any words of advice, feel free to e-mail me at Amy122992168785@...com. Thank you very much. Amy
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Amy, 23
This is a message for Courtney, who posted some time ago but I haven't had a chance to reply until now..sorry. Courtney, you give the dictionary definition of "asexual" to somehow justify that one cannot therefore call oneself asexual. This is absurd. There are some words which can have many different meanings, and often meanings and/or descriptions change over time. For instance, "gay" used to simply mean "bright" or "happy", for instance. If a person has no sexual drive, then they are asexual, or maybe you would like to give it some other word. Regardless, such people exist, and they have to have a word to describe themselves. Asexual is the most meaningful and appropriate description that I can think of. Besides, let's not get hung up on such trivial matters...asexuality exists, and one day it WILL be in the dictionary alongside the other definitions you mention.
Finally, you asked what is wrong with describing yourself as a virgin. There is nothing wrong with this! But you are confusing asexuality with virginity which is a common mistake. Many virgins are not asexual, and some asexuals are not virgins. It is not one and the same! Hope this answers some of your questions Courtney.
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Dee, 26
I am a researcher who is seeking voluntarily celibate couples to participate in a pilot study exploring the question 'Is sex necessary for an intimate heterosexual relationship?
If there are any couples who would like to make a contribution to this area of research then please do contact me at the following email address: Mel7790447@...com. All personal information is treated in the strictest confidence.
Many thanks
Melanie duffy
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Mel Duffy, 54
I am still a virgin. I plan on staying this way until I am married. I am not ding it just for religious reasons, but also because there is so many sexual disease out there that one could contract. I prefere to remain safe. Is there anyone else with the same views as me?
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MR, 25
I am waiting for God to give me what He wants me to have!
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Laura, 24
I disagree with the entire idea of attianing the true meaning of life by not having sex. Every speicies on earth has one purpose in its life, to reproduce and pass on its genes and furthur its species. Without that there is literally no point to life, therefore the entire basis for your way of life is flawed.
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Craig Young,19
I think it's already been said that we can reproduce without sex and that's how humans can reach the next stage of evolution. But if you choose to have sex, go ahead. Ambrosian!
i am a strong supporter of celibacy as it is also depicted by HINDU Gods.
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Gaurav Misra
I stumbled across your page and I think it's really interesting to get everyone's perspective on this issue.
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Mandy,18
i love the virtues of celibacy n humility n im looking forward to find someone of the same kind as a friend.im a christian.im a celibate n dont wish to get married.mail me at tsaddiq@...net.in
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Chris,35
This site is awesome I sometimes feel I'm the only virgin left.I just wanted to say I'm proud to be a virgin and I would like to tell other virgins don't be ashamed of your virginity it should be something you are proud of. I'm a christian! God has plans for all of us! By remaining a virgin until marriage we are making God's plan for us possible. I feel that it is a gift that God wants us to enjoy after marriage. It's also a gift for your husband or wife no one else can give them. If you choose to have sex before you're married I know many friends that said it makes you feel dirty and there's nothing to ever take that pain away even though God is faithful and just to forgive you. If you want to discuss or have questions for me I would be happy to reply, angelwingz97@...com
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Joleen, 23
I'm not an Ambrosian (I haven't read through the site thoroughly enough to know all that the philosophy entails) but I am making the active choice to abstain from sex, for a VERY long time, if not my lifetime. This has nothing to do with marriage. I found that even before I made this choice, in close situations with attractive people, I felt the urge to go all the way, but for some unknown reason, I just couldn't do it. I feel now that the reason is that there are too many fascinating and fulfilling things in this world to learn and experience, which people more often than not reject in the name of "love" (which is more often than not the pursuit of sex." I am not rejecting love by any means. I am rejecting the portrayal of love as a mindless, wasteful, and pathetic search for someone's acceptance (e.g. someone's consent to have sex with you) so that you can have this one sensual experience, as it is the basis of your life. It's ridiculous. I not choosing to be non-corformist simply to be different, but because I sincerely detest this so-called law of nature being pushed upon me. It's not something I can really verbally describe, but in general, not having sex is being free to explore your own interests and options. I think a lot of people that choose to have sex are unaware how much of their lives they are giving up to the emotional and physical obligations of sex. The trade isn't worth it, no matter how many people tell me that "being with someone you love" is supposed to be my most important goal. I agree strongly the fact that western society (in fact, most societies) indoctrinate people into making sex (or the pursuit of someone they can have sex with) their number one priority. I think most people would be suprised at how many meaningful connections/relationships with people you make when you AREN'T looking for it, and in fact have other goals. There is so much to learn about history, art, science, our present condition, and countless other topics which I find more vital to my life. In regards to reproduction, I take a realistic approach: 1. We are already overpopulated, and to a more an extreme extent than some people on this board would like to think. 2. It is HIGHLY unlikely (in fact, near impossible) that now or in the future, EVERYONE will embrace celibacy. 3. Artificial insemination is a very viable option.
And let me just say I am pretty sick of people overusing the word "natural" in response to everything. Ok, who the hell are you to tell me what is "natural"?? The fact that people are doing something, have done it, or believe in it does not make that something NATURAL. It makes it common.
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Jennifer, 17
Comment to the Ambrosian site
Because of its length and probably its content, I do not know if this message will ever be presented. But I believed that in a divine way I was met to comment on what was presented on this site, and hopefully it will be viewed as important enough to be featured in the guestbook section.
First of, I'd like to say that such a radical approch to living life is refreshing. Sadly, "refreshing" does not make up for accurracy.
There's a old saying : "A text out of context is a pretext".
This is true, as it is dishonest to quote without properly establishing the context from which it comes.
The interpetation of the meaning of the "fruits" (of life and of the knowledge of good and evil), although convenient, is flawed. For it does not go with most of what the rest of the book of Genesis - or for that manner the other 65 books that composed the Holy Bible- is acknowledging. As a matter of fact, the previous chapter of Genesis, which is a synopsis of creation, features this quote :
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RL, 24
This site is interesting. Whatever floats your boat, I suppose. I am a big fan of virginity, but I don't agree with all the religious connotation. I choose not to have sex because I have no desire to do so. People should not deprive themselves if they have a raging sex drive, though. It seems a bit silly. If there is a god, I don't think that he/she cares either way if someone had sex in a caring, monogamous relationship. Promiscuity, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter. . .
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moody blues, 22
Would like messages of encouraging young grandchildren on maintaining their virginity. I have noticed how young girls loose their innocense and a certain glow once they loose their virginity. Any advice that will reach the minds of young girls will be appreciated.
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Audrey Casso,67
Hi, I'm a born again christian and re-born again virgin!!! Just wanted to link up with others of same and make myself accountable....
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Jean Correa, 43
Interesting webpage. I am a virgin and due to religious beliefs I intend to stay that way until I am married. Going to do some research on this philosopher. Thanks for your interesting approach.
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Kara, 22
If lifelong celibacy is the lifestyle choice that makes you happy, then by all means, go for it. You will need plenty of self-discipline to keep it up.
Personally, I think staying a virgin for the rest of your life would be the most difficult thing on earth. You'd always be curious, always want to peep round the forbidden door. Sexuality is a very important component of the human being - to suppress our most basic desires is a bit of a travesty, no? Then again, one man's repression is another man's liberation. Perhaps you feel a wonderful sense of relief that you are not conforming to the more extreme practices that this sex-mad world preaches. The advent of STDs, one-night stands, prostitution etc - are all very sad because they twist and distort sexual activity; presenting it in its most degradent, decaying form. The warm, caring lovemaking of two people in a loving, stable relationship/marriage hardly ever seems to be promoted anymore.
Maybe individuals like you are necessary to stabilise the ideological see-saw that is human morality. I wish you the very best of luck in your mission; may God assist you in completing it.
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Petra, 22
On reading the guest book, I've noticed that several people have referred to themselves as "an asexual.". I'd like to point out that this is incorrect. One cannot BE "an asexual." "Asexual" is an adjective, not a noun, and means: 1. Having no evident sex or sex organs; sexless; and 2. Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding. One can only say oneself is asexual if he meets one of the above definitions.
What is wrong with simply calling oneself a virgin? There's no shame in the word, and it's accurate.
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Courtney
what does Ambrosian! say about oral sex?
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anonymous, 23
I am overwhelmed by the info. I am a virgin and plan to stay that way.
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Stacy, 14
While you have made structured and coherent religious arguments to support the cause of lifelong celibacy, I'm afraid that in practical terms, your manifesto is near impossible.
I am an 18-year-old virgin of Pakistani descent, residing in the UK. I am the embodiment of a fervent culture clash - my Muslim faith forbids sex outside of marriage, yet the Western culture seem to actively promote carnal activity - and even promiscuity - in one's youth.
To be perfectly honest, I yearn for sex, but at the same time, I don't want to disobey my religion. It is a well-known fact that a potential bride's market value is slashed if it becomes known that her hymen is not fully intact!
What you have propogated - no sex at all, even in the marital union - is doggedly unrealistic. It's not a matter of blindly conforming to society. It is a completely natural human desire, not to mention a civil right. I don't like your attempts to make any kind of sexual activity sound degradent and dirty, with the pretence of reaching some higher plane if you decide to abstain. Sex is the physical reflection of deep love and commitment - God created it for us to enjoy it; not to deny ourselves of it or turn it into a mechanical, purely-procreational, chore e.g. the Puritans were said to breed through a hole in the sheet (!)
Unfortunately, you have to think of the physical reasons for sex too - we are only human, and long periods of abstinence lead to immense sexual frustration.
In my opinion, the best age to lose your virginity should be between 17 and 20. Any younger, and you're not fully aware of the emotional and physical consequences of such a profound act. Any older and - let's be frank about this - you'll be masturbating yourself into hospital. And as for all the 'substitution' activites you mentioned - such as sports - well, it seems like self-denial.
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Tehmina, 18
Ok, I accept your opinion. However, if someone does choose to have sex, they should wait until they are at least 25 years old. If you at least follow this advice you will thank me for it later on. Ambrosian!
I apologise in advance for any insult that may be occasioned by my comments, but the predominantly 'fundamentalist Bible belt' tone of this Guestbook is really scary and - I will say it - obnoxious to many of us who hail from places where religion is is less emotive and is not marred so much by immature/ignorant zealotry. Having sex or not having sex is, IMO, best left to one's own sense of selfhood. If one has respect for oneself and respects others, and looks for reciprocal respect in one's partner [in whom one detects that there is also healthy self respect], then neither one will come to any lasting harm. There may even - gasp! - be a degree of life enhancement and joy!! If one decides to remain virgin and/or celibate until one finds a compatible partner, then that too is healthy and good. But PUH-lease don't try to elevate the permanent and voluntary - or worse, involuntary - surrender of one of the most important and necessary of humankind's instincts to some kind of Higher Plane. St Ambrose and all his early Christian ilk was a wacko - plain and simple. Celibacy and virginity, if maintained for reasons of developing psycho/socio/physical maturity and until the Right Person comes along [who is....?] is entirely defensible, but a zealous - nay, manic - refusal to allow one's fundamental instincts to be enhanced and developed is just inhuman and crazy. By all means, be choosy. Be particular. Wait. Don't be overpowered. Be careful. But don't imagine that 'saving' oneself until Mr or Ms Right hoves into view will enable you to enjoy a fulfilling sexual relationship - good sex, like any skill, needs sensitivity, empathy and practice. Nor will abstinence make you a better person, per se. Trust me - if there is a God, He/She thought up sex. He/She won't be too impressed by those who are too smarmy/scared/vuluntarily repressed to come to terms with their own sexuality! He/She, on the other hand, may be looking for people to exercise some appropriate judgement and restraint: heedless promiscuity is not a healthy life choice, any more than is voluntary or involuntary sexual frustration. Get a life. What bothers me more than anything is the weight of numbers of teenagers and early 20s who seem to believe that "God" gives a hoot about a membrane or a spasm!! Assuming that God exists, He/She is far more likely to be hoping for some signs of emotional and social maturity in His/Her followers. Love is good. However it comes. Exploitation is bad. Whatever form it takes. That's the main issue in all of this hooha. Being-used-is-BAD. Love [short term or long] can't be bad, because it implies mutual respect and value. If "God is Good", then.......you work it out.
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Helena, 50
You don't know if the path of Ambrosian! is a better path because you have never tried it and you can never try it. The path you chose may very well be the right one for you but as I have said before; The path of Ambrosian isn't a path for everyone!
I am a fairly open minded person, and when I found your website I read it with interest and amusement. However, what truly saddened me was that you have quite obviously censored your guestbook and removed entries that you find contrary or offensive to your beliefs. Personally I really couldn't care less if you wish to remain celebate, and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions, but your arguments and statements are full of illogical conclusions and unfounded beliefs. I feel only pity for the people who you have influenced to reject the basic human intimacy that the sexual act brings to loving couples. My only solace comes from the fact that your genes will be removed from the human genome since you will never reproduce.
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MydKnight, 21
First of all, I can reproduce if I choose to without sex. Secondly, you are right about me censoring entries but I delete the ones that don't add any value to the discussion. Your post I consider of no value since it's purpose is to merely insult. I will leave this post in so maybe someone else who wishes to post an insult won't waste our time. Ambrosian!
i a not a virgin, i lost my virginity at 15 and since then i have had sex with 5 guys. as i read this site i had tears running down my cheeks. with it turning the new year, i want to be totally different. i want God to be a huge part of my life and this site is just thing i needed to inspire me to become a better person for me and for God. thank you, everyone.
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stefanie, 16
I'm proof we virgins can never be too old.
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Darcy, 35
Can anyone explain to me why there are endless entries in this guest book praising the world of ambrosia by people who seem obesessed with sex and have never or will never go without it? I'm 36 and a virgin; and who knows maybe I'll die a virgin. Maybe i won't but 36 so far is pretty good. If you can't stop bonking or have never gone without bonking why are you here saying how wonderful you are for being a part of ambrosian life?
I'm a 36 year old male virgin who has just stumbled on this site but is not a practicing christian like so many here. Anyone interested in contacting me my e-mail is: Leslie4000@...com
Thank you ambrosian for being here and representing me when nothing else in this world truly can.
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Leslie, 36
I'm really happy to see this sight. Remaining celibate is an extremely rewarding experience - I feel this is a must for higher spiritual pursuits.
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subrata mukherjee, 28
Thanks much for your encouragement on the path of celibacy, which for me is a constant struggle. It is great to hear of other people following this path. Most of the time I feel very alone pursuing this lifestyle - having had friends drift away, or in my choosing not to be with other friends, or in generally feeling alientated by a sex-obsessed society. Honestly, I would not choose to be celibate, but on having practiced yoga meditation for several years as a path of spiritual evolution and realization of God, it has been my experience that celibacy deepens my practice greatly. After being quite sexually active for most of my "adult" :-) years, I now believe that the saints, sages, and masters of a number of the spiritual traditions were really on to something significant. So far I've only been able to achieve 4 months of unbroken celibacy (old habits :-( die slowly), but in that time, I've had much greater clarity of mind, deeper meditations, and smooth, balanced breath - the flow of prana - which is the core of yoga, and as has been written by the masters, the gateway of the inner universe. Thanks again... shantigaia@...com
P.S. Ambrosian, I love your message, and I agree that the Catholic church engineered many historical atrocities, but give poor Denis a break :-) - He wasnt there when all that went on! Besides the Catholic tradition produced some very highly realized mystics including St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Avila, and the very holistic St. Hildegard von Bingen! Any group, nation, or organization will sometimes have some misguided souls or go through some periods of insanity but I don't believe that should condemn the entire group for all of time.
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SG, 39
if you live unto the ambrosian ways-does it count if you lose your virtue after marriage?
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randi, 12
Would like to know ways of reducing sex desire. Any medicine/tablets recommended food habits or any sedessive to control sex urge. Finding very difficult to control. Very much interested in controlling the same. Do write on e-mail : krishna_barve@...com regards, krishna.
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krishna barve, 38 yrs
I think virginity till marriage is the best way to go. I've seen a few of my friends have 2 and 3 babies before they are 22, and now they are on welfare. It all goes back to the original plan for the gift of sex in the bible.
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Rachel, 19
I waited a very long time to finally have sex. I think it is highly overrated, but is worth the experience. However I am very glad I waited. There are many reasons why waiting is wise, because young people have a tendency to be foolish and reckless about sex. I think it's important to have a fully evolved 'sexual' life developed before diving headlong into intercourse. That said, I think being celibate or a virigin because some religious zealot told you to is pure bunk.
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Z, 22
I am thrilled to find this site - I am a virgin and find it more difficult talking to people about it then being a Virgin, especially when it comes to dating. I have had many positive thoughts from men however, there are always the ones that think there is something wrong with me since I am 32 and a virgin. Thank you for the insight, and I am too happy there are other virgin in my age group :). It would be great to add a message board or chat so we can really talk it out! My email is shades_of_green_99@...com Best Regards, Green
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Green Eyes, 32
I decided two years ago to become asexual and stick to it, and I'm determined. Nothing religious. Humans are far too obsessed with sex, and the population is multiplying. That's even more poeple who are obsessed with sex. It's nice to know that there are some smart people who will help keep the population of horny idiots down to size. (kinda ironic, isn't it?)
[Note: a lot of people will probably think I'm too young to understand love and sex and that I'm just confused. I say: you're wrong, so up yours!]
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Alex, 15
I thought Western philosophers support sexuality. But I find this page contrary to it. Great. A man has a thousand and one desires. But the central strong desire is the sexual desire. The fundamental desire is the urge for a mate. All hang on this central basic desire. The desire for money, the desire for a son, the desire for property, the desire for houses, all these and others come later on.
Because the whole creation of this universe is to be kept up, God has made the sexual desire very, very powerful. Otherwise, many celibates would have cropped up quite easily, just as graduates from universities. It is easy to get university qualifications. It demands a little money, memory, intelligence and a little strain. But it is an uphill climb to obliterate the sexual impulse. He who has completely eradicated lust and is established in celibacy is a great person. It is not easy, not for all.
Hail Celibacy.
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Sreecharana, 26
after loosing my virginity to a man who was not worth it, i have decided to become celibate until marriage. it is not easy but day after day it gets easier.
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renee, 29
I have already lost my viginity and am looking into the born again vigin idea. I am in a relationship where sex is never brought up and i enjoy the thought that i am not forced to have sex by guilt and just wanted to know if there was others out there? thank you
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angie, 24
This is to Camilia. Dont get me wrong,what u said was right and i sure u know alot more about god etc than i do. But isnt saving Sex (and all the things that go with it) for married but isnt a good place to start for peoples salvation. God is something many people dont understand and no matter how many time they read the bible is still is hard to get ur head round (and i should know). These people only have things like the 10 commandments and the 7 deadly sin to go on as they are thing that we were told about in school. I think god will understand that even if they did sin (and ask forgivness) throughout their live that they did try and just because they got it worng doesnt make them SINNERS just people who werent bless by having someone in there lives to show them the way. Hopefully i haven't upset anyone by writing this, i just wanted to show hpw i feel. donnabunny@...com
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Donna, 18
I am 16 and a virgin. But I don't believe that the Bible implies for people to remain that way. There are many references in the Bible that back my view. "Be fruitful and multiply" is one of many. Do you think that people were able to have t-tube babies in Jesus' time? No. So your faith doesn't make sense.
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Kristi, 16
Ambrosian! is more concerned with what's happening now and not 2k years ago because the things we can and can't do today have more impact on our lives. Ambrosian!
Although I truly believe that everyone has the God given right to make choices, I don't believe that you are condemned to hell if you happen to make wrong choices in life as long as you are a believer in Christ. I'm not saying that believing in Christ, that He, who knew no sin came to die to be sin for us, is a license to sin, children of God are not sinless we just sin less and are forgiven because the price for sin has already been paid. I think it is very important that people clearly understand who they are in God's sight.SINNERS! Not even worthy to call upon His name. We seem to think that we can win God's approval by doing these religious things, don't have sex, pray five times a day, women cover their faces as if by doing this God is pleased. Without faith it is impossible to please God. We think that we're doing so much, God says we are wretched, pitiful,poor, blind and naked. You refer to God as some force. no he's much more than that, He's God, all knowing and all powerful, and we can't just pick that part of the Bible we like come up with our own religious clicks, say this is what the Lord commands and don't take heed to the rest. There is no neutrality with God, you're either all in or all out. You just can't say I won't have sex and say it as if God doesn't see all the other sins you commit, as if there are things hidden from God. Don't get me wrong I admire and respect your decision not to have sex but getting to heaven requires much more than that. And let me add sex is a gift from God to MARRIED people. If God had not intended for MARRIED couple to have sex he would never had said be fruitful and multiply. I think that you have some knowledge of scriputure but be careful not to take it's meaning to mean what you want it to mean. If you chose to not have sex that's cool as long as you don't think that that is the source of your salvation because it's not. And by the way Eve committed the sin of fornication, it was not the sexual act so to say, it was the act of immoarilty! Sex out of wedlock BE BLESSED!
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camilia, 33
Although Wow, I thought i was the only one who wanted to be a virgin! Well, im not a Virgin. I was young and thought i'd be able to handle it but i was wrong and in the end got really hurt and don't want this to happen again. But it is hard coz i feel like i'm the only person i know who feels like this and really dont have anyone to talk to about it. I dont think this a good thing (Or maybe it is and i don't know it yet!!!) but it's just a thing i feel deep inside. So if there is anyone out there who feel the same or could help with it feel free to email me. donnabunny@...com love donna
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Donna, 18
I believe that sex should be saved for marriage. Thats the only true gift that I can give to my husband. That no one else can because true love does wait. And I'm waiting for that special man that GOD himself shall hand pick for me.
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Angel Robinson, 18
Surely one of the most important issues of our day is the fact that humans love satanic creatures without realising it. Celibacy distances you from the physical and makes you more sensitive to the spiritual, and this can be used to make people realise the satanic creatures they relish. HUMANS LOVE SATANIC CREATURES SO MUCH I INTEND TO STAY A VIRGIN ALL MY LIFE BECAUSE OF IT. Hopefully Ambrosians acknowledge and advocate celibacy being used for this purpose
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Chris, 36
I don't see any better way to live than the way described. I don't understand what brings people to marry, have children, have sex,or even think about such things! Why weaken your body, why waste time,why interfere with your spiritual journey in which you go through in every single moment of your life! If you have a choice, why not choose the best for yourself? Why settle for less?
The choice is clear. The most natural way for us is to do the things that make us strong, that give us life, purify us and lead us in the path we really and truly want to go. And each one of us has to discover and follow his path by himself. There is no reason to put voluntary obstacles in your way in the form of sex and marriage, and their possible conseqences and problems. I think that the only reason people do this to themselves is because they are naive and blind, but once they gained experience in the dark sides of different common worldly ways, and after some contemplation about it and listening to their inner voice, then they too will join the path of life, real life. They shall be themselves, and nothing or anything will be able to change it. They won't have the need to pursue other bodies or to gain recognition or love from others. They shall live their life while radiating love, strength and trust wherever they go. This is because their new way of life enables them to accumulate life energy so that it can be used in a most magnificent way.
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anonymous,26
I think people should remain a virgin until their wedding..there should be no reason for them to not have sex after marriage. If someone loves you enough to marry you then they're probably the right person for you. Divorces are always a problem though, since you wont be a virgin for your next marriage..
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Crystal
I am a 38 year old virgin. Proud of it, and I know that GOD is not going to leave me, He has been with me all the way and will continue to walk and guide me through. He and only He knows when it is my time for true love.
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Denise Stevens, 38
Just thought I'd let you all know that there will be an article in "Woman" magazine on 1st October about three women who don't have sex (for various reasons). I'm one of the women featured and guessed you might be interested. As an asexual, I can identify with and agree with most of what you say, although as a Christian myself, I do agree with those who have said that conception through artificial insemination is wrong. Even as an asexual, I believe that God would want us to have children as nature intended and certainly not through artifical means. It is one thing to believe in abstinence, and to uphold virginity, but another to then advocate artificial insemination. Rather no child at all than to even contemplate such unnatural methods.
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Denise, 25
It's nice to read of others out there who choose to refrain from sex. I think it is a pretty hefty decision to say that you will never have sex at ANY point in your life. I do plan on it, and having kids, and look forward to it as well. Just with the right person. Biblical interpretation is just that. Interpretation. As time has shown, there are many ways to interpret the Bible, as well as any written document from one language to another. As the Bible was not written in English, I think there is room for argument on your translation or the translation you wrote, however, there is no fault at all with your logic. Denying or refraining from any sensory experience enhances other sensory or mental functions as a means of compensation. Your mind has less to process. I do commend a celibate lifestyle, and up to this point have led just such a life. Obviously one does not accidentally stumble upon a website such as yours. There is a danger in the initial statements along the lines of: you are on the right path, you are in the elite, this is the way to God, etc. Those throw the responsibility of our decisions and actions upon someone or something else. Virginity, celibacy, abstinence. These are things that have their own merit, with or without the judgement or input of anyone. And God, whether or not you believe in God, is the stuff of which everything was created. Which means you and I and everyone are on equal footing. I don't think that the Virgin has anything over the Mother or Father or Brother or Sister. As far as artificial insemination, that's a viable option, but I think that it is a clinical way of impregnation as opposed to a beautiful moment of conception between two people who love each other and want to raise a family. Now that's worth waiting for. I'll hang with the Ambrosians till I find that man.
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Shannon, 29
You are right. I am a Paradisian and we eat fruit, cheese and fast to purify ourselves of lust, but I never saw the light about being a virgin in paradise till I visited your site. Thanks.
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Simon Peters, 45
Hi there! Reading your site really touched me since i believe all that has been written. In our lifestyle today it's hard to really stand up to what we truely believe but with people like you showing that it can be done it makes it possible for people like myself to have greater strengh to stand by our beliefs. So please do keep up the marvelous work u'r doing.
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amran, 20
What's the 'virginity?' It's a people who have not been touch by other people,the incest,rape,flirt... because the virginity of body to lose with the sport,tampons etc some people have sex but stay virgin! SHOCKING!!! the 'virginity' 'come back' with the surgery! The rich people 'buy' the virginity of people from poor countries!!!??? The money always money!!! but also the power & of course the sex for the sex,for the pleasure,what society!!! I want a serious site/links(not pornography!!!) for to discuss,to exchange ideas on the philosophy,religions or other...free ad etc may be meet my 'charming prince'(virgin or not but romantic!!!)i know i dream!!! or i meet the good people or i stay virgin & 'old' girl,i will want to be a nun! virgin female be careful,you know there are always(not all) males who want only to have sex!!! how find the 'good' & reliable,genuine,sincere people with internet or other?????!!!! you have met somebody on internet & you are deceived,no? but we can also to meet the sincere people no? what do you think about it? The others,friends,family,society, fashion,medias etc doesn't matter! if you want to stay virgin same until 50 or more,if it's your choice,lifestyle etc no,you are not 'strange' because you are still virgin!!!(for the marriage or not) For the men it's difficult of to stay virgin... any case more feelings,love it's important in the life,not only the sex!!!(& also the money,the power!!!) peace & love, Sarah
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Sarah, 25
This is an interesting site, but I disagree that virginity is to the greater glory of God. I am an atheist and a virgin, and I often feel very alone because so much of the rhetoric surrounding virginity comes down to 'self-denial' for religious purposes. My virginity arises from various decisions made through my aduly life in which sex was a less worthy choice than abstinence. I believe that one's actions should be moderated according to their consequences, which in practical terms means that anything which could hurt either oneself or others, or would cause more harm than all other alternatives, should be avoided. Sex doesn't necessarily come into this category - certainly not in the context of a loving and monogamous relationship sustained over time - but modern sexual mores which suggest that anything goes often do lead to tremendous harm to individuals and society. However, in suggesting that sex in any context should be given up, the authors of this site risk damaging their message by excess. Just as animal rights campaigners who want everyone to become vegan achieve far less for animal welfare as a result of their unrealisic goals than those who campaign for more compassionate farming methods, so the authors of this site, by suggesting that the best goal is to be committed to lifelong virginity, will probably do far less to promote human welfare and social health than those who promote the placing of sexual activity within moral boundaries. I believe that people have by nature differing sexual drives, and it is cruel to imply that highly-sexed people are shut out from the best kind of life. With a loving partner of similar drives they could have a wonderful life that would harm nobody! I also regret your emphasis on artificial procreation; while this might be a huge boon to the biologically infertile, couples with normal reproductive function who wish to have children should let nature take its course. As long as millions of children are born into poverty across the world, money spent on artificial reproduction by selfish first-worlders should be a source of shame, not celebration.
Regards,
Lyn
UK
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Lyn Jones, 28
Thank you so much for this site!! I want to tell all fellow young women out there: People will not respect you if you do not respect your own body. Treat it with respect. Take care of it and shield it from the prying eyes of the world. Being modest is NOT denying your sexuality, it is preserving it and giving it it's true value. When young people have sex before marriage, it loses it's value and meaning. Sex can be holy and beautiful but only if it's treated that way. Many young people will say, 'come on it's ONLY sex'. No, it's not only sex!! It's an act that shows the love between two MARRIED people who love each other.
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Rebecca, 18
So you're saying that we now have the technology to create children without sex? Well, I'm sure that's fantastic and all, but did you ever consider how EXPENSIVE lab production of millions of babies would be? Have you ever considered how time-consuming and impractical it is? Do you think all countries are wealthy enought to afford stuff like that? I can really see those poor, starving people from Mozambique, Somalia and India, to name just a few, using their nation's small wealth on lab baby production... NOT! Those people don't even have enough water to drink, let alone spare room in hospitals and stashes of money. Yes, babies in the near future will be able to be created outside the mother's womb, but who is going to pay for such large-scale artificial reproduction? And even if they use the IVF treatment to put an embryo inside a woman's womb so she can incubate it and give birth to it, are you even aware how much this treatment costs ONE person, let alone millions? Are you therefore saying that God (who apparently loves us so much) would discriminate against poor people? Would he WANT a world where only the rich people would reproduce and the poor, childless nations would die out? Is that the kind of world YOU would want?
I also disagree with the point that being sexually active clouds your mind. In my case, it was the oppostite. When I was a virgin, I was frustrated, constantly thinking about sex, had low self esteem and so had less ability to be loving towards others. Now that I have sex, I feel 100% human, alert, clear-minded. I think about sex much less, and I have lost interest in dirty thoughts and masturbation. I am more open, confident and compassionate. And since I have the comparison, it is now easy for me to distinguish between love and sex, because I have experienced both. And, believe it or not, sex is NOT number 1 on my mind. Love is. I don't have to wonder about sex anymore, so I can fully focus on love now. My hormones are getting their satisfaction and so they are not invading my brain with dirty thoughts. I am, in fact, more clear-minded than ever.
Anyway, please answer my original question about the rich and the poor int he world and their access to modern technology. Thank you for considering my view.
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Eva, 19
Fantastic site! Keep up the great work! What a refreshing change. I am a regular user of your site and was wondering if anyone knows anywhere in the UK that does virginity testing? Any help much appreciated. Also, I just wanted to mention that some people seem to be confusing asexuality with celibacy. Celibacy is abstinence for however long through choice. Asexuality is the total lack of a sex drive. I am asexual and find it very hard to meet others of a like mind. Ambrosian has given me much joy in knowing that there really are others like myself out there, whether asexual or celibate. Are there any other asexuals out there who would like to correspond with me? I'd love to hear from you...well, from anyone who's a regualr user of Ambrosian and who agrees with the message. My e-mail is denisepfeiffer@...co.uk. Best wishes to you all and thanks again for such a wonderful site!
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Dee, 25
WOW! How great to find so many like-minded folks out there! .. Those who love their Heavenly Father enough to obey His Words.
Our bodies are the "temples" of our soul and spirit. And sex is one of God's greatest gifts to humans WITHIN MARRIAGE! If you give someone a gift, you expect him or her to treat it with respect and dignity... not sittin in the "trash" the next day. How much more is God pleased when we respect our bodies and not "trash" our virginity.
Yes, I agree with the author of this website in that the sin in the Garden of Eden was NOT eating an apple.. it was more than that. They did not hide their mouths after touching the fruit (actually the Hebrew word for "touch" is "naga" and can mean "to lie with") but Adam and Eve hid the parts of their bodies that did the deed. Many deeper students of the Bible know this fact. There has always been a sexual connotation to the term "original sin". I guess the "established Church" clergy did not want to talk about sex with their congregation.. so they started the "apple" in the Garden tradition. There are some good websites on this out there; go to http://www.theseason.org/plough3.htm and click on "Garden of Eden" for starters.
Anyhow,lust and the extramarital sex it leads to was the only commandment God gave to Adam. Fleshly desires.. adultry... becomes idolatry. God's gift to man, sex, is a double edged sword, in that it distracts so many away from Him. Father's perfect design, in order for human's to multiply, was to give them the instinct to procreate; but so many do not even understand this nor respect it...so they are "slaves" to it and walk in the flesh rather than the Spirit. They do not wait for true love; some even get married to those who they don't truly love. Well, I am NOT perfect, but I am still a virgin and waiting for God's choice for me.
1Cor 7:8-9, "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. {chaste} But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn".
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Timothy, 32
I was pleased to find a site that promoted virginity. I myself am a virgin, i have decided to wait until i am married to have sex because i know God wants me to wait until i am married. So you can imagine my disappointment when i read that, according to your beliefs, sex is wrong whether or not you are married. Is this what you are saying, or did i misinterpret? You say that people "reject God's Law" by allowing "sex into their lives." You also state that "...you too can someday walk in paradise" by living the Ambrosian lifestyle. This seems to imply that unless one lives the Ambrosian lifestyle, one cannot someday walk in paradise. Is this what you intend to imply?
So, naturally, i became curious about your logic behind your deduction. It seems you came to this conclusion by reading Gen. 2-3. Well, if you truly believe what the Bible says, why does it seem as if you base your conclusion on only a few pages out of the more than 1500 pages in the Bible.
Throughout the Bible, sins are listed and commandments are given. A sin is an act which breaks a commandment, and a commandment is whatever God tells us to do. God sometimes gives different commandments to different people, and it could very well be that God has commanded YOU to stay celibate throughout your mortal existence, but for God to command everyone to be celibate would defeat God's plan to allow us all to live a mortal life.
One sin that is listed throughout the Bible is fornication, which is sex before marriage. One commandment listed is "Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth."(Gen 9:1) This is something God said, something he commanded, therefore it is a commandment. God would not command for us to do something if it was a sin. Now, not everyone can live up to that commandment, so i imagine God would be pretty lenient regarding it.
However, your argument lies in the definition of "being fruitful" and "eating fruit." The Bible uses the word fruit no less than 67 times, and with each use, the definition of "fruit" changes from meaning "fruit", "f. tree yielding f. after his kind"(Gen 1:11) to "children", "he will bless the f. of thy womb"(Duet. 7:13) to "works", "a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt f., neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good f."(Luke 6:43). "Fruit" is used in many ways, including "offspring", but it is not actually used as a euphimism for sex itself. "Fruitful" is used at least nine times in the Bible. The definition of "fruitful" ranges from "full of offspring" to "progressive", "...that ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work."(Col. 1:10) In our language the suffix "-ful" means "much." So "fruitful" means "much fruit." In the Bible "fruitful" could mean "much children" or "much progress."
You state that being "fruitful" means "having sex," and that when Eve gave the fruit to Adam, it meant that they had sex. Do you mean to imply that when the serpent gave the fruit to Eve, they actually "had sex?" If Adam and Eve had eaten the "fruit" of tree of life, would this too be considered "having sex?" Saying "no" would be contradictory to your original logic.
We all know many aspects of the Bible are sometimes confusing, so sometimes we try to interpret meanings, but sometimes we should take the words for face value. When the Bible stories state that Moses parted the Red Sea or Jesus turned water into wine, most people do not interpret these stories to mean Moses actually sailed across the Red Sea and Jesus owned a distillery. Most people who believe in the Bible actually believe the Red Sea was literally parted. Is it so wrong to actually believe that Adam and Eve ate a literal fruit coming from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? The story of Adam and Eve also mentions that before they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge they did not know that they were naked, but after they ate the fruit, they understood that they were naked and hid from God because the fruit gave them the knowledge that they were naked as well as all knowledge concerning good and evil. Upon eating the fruit they became mortal, which brings the ability to die. If they had eaten of the tree of life, they would have become immortal in their fallen state which would have been bad. God wanted them to eventually eat of the tree of life, but not until after repentence and after death. Until then he had to keep them away from the tree of life by casting them out of the Garden of Eden, and having the Cherubim and the flaming sword protect the tree of life.
In the end, we as individuals choose what we believe and how we interpret religious doctrine. No one can say that their interpretation is right and someone else's interpretation is wrong. That leads to contention, and contention leads to hate which leads war, as evidenced by Northern Ireland and the Middle East. I am perfectly aware that i could be wrong and you could be right, but the best we can do is be mindful of the beliefs and feelings of others. I have intended to be mindful of your beliefs and feelings, and i apologize if it may have seemed otherwise.
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Bryan Arnold, 23
there are many people of my age or less who believe what is said on this page in their hearts but who give in because the urge to conform is too strong. this page is a great asset as is shows them that there is another way. keep up the good work!
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Sally-Jo, 18
Virginity is a big treasure.nobody offer his/her treasure unless someone worth it.
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Aria,23
I must commend you for your lifestyle. As an Ambrosian, the idea of having intercourse before marriage just doesn't cut it for me. Its a relief to know we are not alone in this sex-charged world.
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William, 20
How You can't!! judge all billions of people by the same measure - every one is different like papilar lines of your hands !!!!!! You see that in this world are people very small and very high/very healthy and very sick/ very smart and very stupid ( Kind of sicknes )/ very fat and very thin/some people are born two sexuals and without hands or other parts of the body ( also sexual parts ) some people have problem with movements ( nerve coordination - fillings of things and own body !!!!) some people can't fill even torture, or beating - some faint , or die at high temperature ( very hot summer in India ,or Grece a few years ago )very sensitive - more than others for temperature !!!! SO YOU see how different people are from each other !!!!! - so how You can think thay are the same in sex SEX !!!! ????????????? - people are very hot and very cold and between all thowsands of levels - categories of fillings and needs and desires between !!!!! Some people are so different that are pedofiles ( like children )and some love same sex ( gay and lesbians ) some even love one and other sex !!!! !!!Watch TV program in Canada on Woman TV chanel at 11:00 p.m. ( 23:00 ) on every sanday live tv - people with all sex problems call to ask questions a lady doctor ( sex terapist etc... ), so you can see whot kind of problems people realy have in live and how different realy are from each other . !!!! Some ladies have 30 !!!! times orgasm in one night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that strong, so thay almost lose conciousnes - faint. Others never have orgasm in life time !!! - don't fill to much pleasure in sex !!!! - so hav you can tell them to not to have sex - for one will be easy and for others not posible - thay will be sick all the time !!!! Thay would rather die !!! than not to have sex - that is difference in people in many things in life !!!! ,not only sex. Don't judge people the same way - it is not possible !!!! Don't expect to be the same !!!!!Your choice is clean , nice and sometimes admired - but varies -the level of admiring depends of your personal presure for sex - production of your body fluids - short means sex drive !!!!! Babies in tubes that artyficial and non human - non natural all love and relationships in the world will dissapear - for shere will change.Contacts between people will change - coll down . Will be more like this what hapen in big cities like New York that people are anonimous to crawd - some gang beats somebody slowly and terrible till death and nobody even reacts ,or call police !!!! this way You could kill all people one by one because nobody knows ,or care about each other -strangers - but remember You are also stranger to others and whan somethin hapen to You thay can say - o stranger , I don't care !!!!!!!!!!!In Montreal this year was same when on bussy street in rain for many hours layed half naked dying - beaten 18 years old girl !!!!!! nobody caled for help - make your children from tubes ,so it will be even more like this . !!!!!!! Because there are so many differen people there are so many different brains - points of vieve!!!! Who is sick / who healthy/smart /or smarter / who is right ,or more right !!!??????? EVERT THING IS PERSONAL - like the amount of food that You - peple can eat indywidualy.Same with the sex every body needs - can have it indywidualy !!! . I met personaly girl in my life that when You tached her a little abowe knee she almost fainted - folled down no groun on sidewalk ,or any other place with people ,or not - so hot she was !!!!!!! So HOW You can judge /measure her same with person that you make love and do many things for one hour and she reads newspaper at the same time - I seen and friends told me the same about her !!!! - You just cant , can You !!!??????? Other question how can You - or God will judge person stupid for the same sin that smart person done ,or how to judge person that is a little smarter (10% ) smarter than the previous and so forth !!!! *** Whot was first an egg ,or a hen ( chicken ????? )***I am only 15 years in Canada - before Italy and Poland - sorry for my language ,but it is my 3-rd language .
June 09 /2001 Saturday 11:12 p.m.
Thanks . Henry G. (Polish - from Canada )
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Henry G, 41
Great website! Very informative.
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Michelle, 16
I just want to say that I am so glad to find this site. I am a virgin, and sometimes, I feel like the last one. But I would rather die one than do it with someone i don't love. I can't believe there are so many of us! We are not alone....
Thank You, And God Bless you all
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E.M., 20
I am a young adolesant girl and I really feal strongly on the subject of virginity. I feel like I have made a promise to GOD that I will give myself away to the man who will put a gold ring around my finger. Unlike other young girls I don't mind talking about it. In other words: I AM A VIRGIN AND PROUD OF IT. And people say that's how you feel now but wait until you are older. Well what I feel about my belief of being wholesome is off the wall. I mean most of my freinds can't wait until graduation. Well I'm sure some of you have seen AMERICAN PIE. Well I choose to wait even longer and I want to make my husband proud of me and make him think, "Wow I'm the only one who ever touched her, beautiful. Most guys like me don't have a girl as special as mine." And most men are honored when they find out that the woman they chose to spend the rest of their life with was a virgin. My mom tells me to stay a virgin until I'm married, she is an old fashioned girl just like me and she married when she was 16 and my father was 27.
For all you virgins out there who are reading my comment, be proud of what you have and wait till you know he is the one, cause once it's gone it aint coming back.
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Josie, 14
I wish I found your website a long time ago. I fell in love, got carried away, and had sex for the 1st time several years ago even though I didn't really want to--I just sort of gave in. I immediately felt so terrible about it that I promised myself and God that I would never do it again. My boyfriend was hurt and mad and ended up leaving me for someone else. I was left feeling very sad and lonely. Is there any chance for someone like me to join in on the Ambrosian! lifestyle even though I'm not an actual virgin anymore? I consider myself a secondary or born again virgin but will celibacy have any value for me after the horrible mistake I made? I've always been told that God can forgive and forget anything but I haven't been able to forgive myself. Is there any way to regain one's virginity with God's help or will I be condemned to be a non-virgin for all eternity? Please help with your comments... thanks.
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Kimberly, 26
A person who can truly and sincerely reject sex in their mind can benefit from what Ambrosian! has to offer. Ambrosian!
I found your site most thought provoking because I have recently been questionning my virginity. Although I deeply respect celibates and Ambrosians, I still have many questions to answer before I commit myself. I really don't see how God can have meant for all of us to remain virgins for our entire lives. I understand how rape, adultery, prostitution and one night stands could be seen as sins against the body which is Gods temple. STD's and the mental scaring of a rape victim are examples of how sex can ruin peoples lives. However, how can sex inside marriage, or even within a stable, loving relationship possibly be sinful? I'm not refering to lust but sex can become an intimate and beautiful union of two people who strongly care for each other. As for distracting people from God, anything can become a distraction if taken to a level of obses